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Boo Hoo

Last post 05-25-2007, 6:56 PM by seanmartain. 3 replies.
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  •  05-24-2007, 2:04 PM 1660336

    Boo Hoo

    Well seems like there is plenty of movies about the massacres there were in the US. But truth be told there hasnt been anyone to come foward when it comes to movies about the massacres to the people who resided on the land before all the wonderful residents of other countries. Your ancestors were the greedy people the perfected the "con" phrase when they stole the homeland of the Native Americans and Hispanic people who lived on this land. We didnt go to your countries giving you deathly illnesses or kill off your families for the land. Your ancestors did that to themselves. But the thing that gets me, is the movies that make my people looking like murderers and how terrible we are. Did you pass on the history to your children how my people were killed. Babies thrown up in the air n shot. Used for their target practice? No, I think not. My great-grandma was young when they were placed on the reservations. She grew up with hate and had no need to learn the english language. But for politcs thats a whole new topic. Thanks to this generation of people we have you to pick and choose who resides in this country!!! A whole new set of idiots to run the country
  •  05-25-2007, 2:43 PM 1664169 in reply to 1660336

    Re: Boo Hoo

    You sound like an idiot. Nothing that you said makes any sence at all. Boo Hoo yourself.

  •  05-25-2007, 3:26 PM 1664332 in reply to 1664169

    Re: Boo Hoo

    At some point the past is the past, be it Mountain Meadows or The Trail of Tears. 

     Lets face it:  "White" killed "Red," "Mormon" killed "Non-Mormon," and so on.  But Roman killed Samnite, Aztec killed Maya, Mongol killed Chinese, Crusader killed Muslim, French killed Prussian, Teuton killed Lithuanian, and, for every one... vice versa.  There's no easy way to describe the colonization of the Americas without mentioning mass murder, disease, and cruelty.  But there's no way to talk about almost anything in history without mentioning mass murder, disease, and cruelty.  Today's winners are tomorrow's victims. 

    If we don't move beyond back-and-forth accusations about relative guilt, we will end up in a state of anarchy, each bent on taking "justice" from every other person because of the actions of our ancestors.

    Let's study the past, face the horror, and move past it:  let's learn, after all! 

  •  05-25-2007, 6:56 PM 1664782 in reply to 1660336

    Re: Boo Hoo

    The Mountain Meadow Massacre was the premeditated assassination of 120 men, women and older children. The younger children were taken as booty along with the rest of the wagon train loot and the "good Christian" citizens of Cedar City attempted to leverage the children and their story for money from the US Army after the fact. The Francher group was one of the richest trains to go west, a real haul for Brigham Young and his group. Was he complicit? We cannot specifically know. Juanita Brooks admitted finding evidence that she tought would embarrass the church and is said to have burned it. So much for honesty. Other evidence? Why did he let the rider rest instead of sending another rider or team of riders to stop the action? Did Brigham Young ever punish those who committed this act? Why not? As governor of the territory he certainly had the power to initiate an investigation. He is also reported to have twice gone to the burial cairn created by the U. S. Army created to preserve the victims' bones scattered for over a year, and kicked the bones about. He really seems to have agreed with the perpetrators and their actions. To this day the church has not had the courage to admit any guilt. And, there is is the added touch that many in the wagon train were Europeanized Cherokee, so killing them was apparently not so bad by 19th century European standards. Is the past really past? If so, why recreate Nauvoo? Kirkland? Hill Comorrah? Or is only history which is unpleasant for the person involved "Past"? There are still ghosts at Mountain Meadow that ask for justice. When wil they receive an answer? A pretty great state? Maybe one day. Right now it is a state that thinks that sins committed by it should be forgotten but sins commited against should live forever in memory. Hypocrisy and denial at its finest. Boo Hoo is right. Given his involvment in the Bear River Massacre along with the Mountain Meadow Massacre, Brigham Young was possibly the most accomplished and best protected serial killer and mass murderer in US history.
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